Word guru Barbara Wallraff responds to a reader's pet peeve on her new Atlantic magazine blog, In a Word. It's a pet peeve of mine too, this misuse of "try and" instead of "try to." The trying part doesn't deserve equal weight as the part that's being tried, such as "Try and understand my dilemma." Or "Try and read this blog with your eyes closed."
But I rarely correct this when I critique my friends' writing. I always figured it would be the quickest way to get myself labeled anal, which indeed I am. And this mistake has become so common, I'd be correcting "try ands" instead of trying to write myself.
My personal history with "try and" vs. "try to" comes from my ninth and twelfth grade English teacher, Miss Jane Whittington. She was a superb teacher. Everything I know about English usage I learned in her class. Take it up with her if you've got an issue with my pedantry.
Wallruff basically tells the questioner to shut up and ignore the issue, especially when the usage occurs in fiction, but I think we should try to mount a concerted effort to reclaim "try to". What do my readers think?
"I made an order"
NO YOU DIDN'T.
YOU PLACED IT.
Posted by: Gridlock | December 03, 2008 at 05:10 PM
Go ahead; try and enforce that.
(See how silly that sounds?)
Posted by: KathyF | December 03, 2008 at 05:20 PM
I'm always changing "try and", "since", and "while" when they are used incorrectly.
Of course, that's my job. That's what they try to pay me the tiny bucks for. I support your concerted effort 100%.
Posted by: Imperatrix | December 03, 2008 at 07:03 PM
And for my next trick, I'm going to convince the world that using "that" for a person is wrong.
"He's the guy that's trying to change the world." No, he's the guy "who's" trying to change the world. And not "whose" either.
Posted by: KathyF | December 03, 2008 at 07:16 PM
I'm with you on this one!
Posted by: Alexis | December 03, 2008 at 09:27 PM
"And for my next trick, I'm going to convince the world that using "that" for a person is wrong."
Amen, sister! It drives me crazy. As does using "where" for "in which" ("...that part in the movie where she...").
But good luck. No one cares. Not the New York Times. Not even NPR.
Posted by: Diane | December 04, 2008 at 03:01 AM
try and stop me from being a grammar analist!
Posted by: bazu | December 04, 2008 at 12:39 PM
So nice to know I am not the only one who hates this, though I think my biggest pet peeve at the moment is the British way of using "have" with singular nouns.
Posted by: Nora | December 04, 2008 at 02:00 PM
Oh, you mean like collective nouns like "the government are" and "Corporation X have decided". I know; it threw me at first and now I find myself doing it too!
Posted by: KathyF | December 04, 2008 at 02:30 PM
I majored in linguistics. We used a method of swapping out words, or using them in different tenses, contexts, etc., in order to get to the "best" use of a word. Example:
Imperative (i.e. giving an order): "Try and set me straight!"
Declarative, present progressive: *"I"m trying and set you straight."
(an asterisk in front of a sentence in linguistics means "this sentence doesn't work")
The conclusion would be that "and" doesn't work, and "to" works well in both sentences.
Oy, what a pedant. Sorry.
Posted by: cookiecrumb | December 04, 2008 at 07:09 PM
cookiecrumb, this is a very useful thing to know. I love pedants.
Posted by: KathyF | December 04, 2008 at 07:14 PM
"that" instead of "who" destroys me. also, "jenny and me are going to...."
but, as someone who regularly conducts informal correspondence with no capitalization, i'm forced to remember that thing about glass houses and stones.
Posted by: kathy a. | December 04, 2008 at 09:52 PM
I'm pretty anal about spelling, but grammar sometimes mystifies me. I'm gonna try and get better.
;)
Posted by: A Free Man | December 04, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Nora/Kathy;
Are you actually saying that you disapprove of the way the English use English?!
:D
Posted by: Gridlock | December 05, 2008 at 01:27 PM
This is not on my peeve list. Mostly because my peeve list has already exceeded the maximum number of peeves allowed. While you are fighting on the "try and" front, I will continue to battle "alot" and "tad bit." Good luck.
Posted by: KathyR | December 05, 2008 at 02:02 PM
"There seems to be less people than last year"
From this sentence I normally assume either drastic weight loss or multiple amputations.
Posted by: Gridlock | December 05, 2008 at 02:56 PM